Showing posts with label 6SN7. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 6SN7. Show all posts

May 27, 2024

Sylvania 6A5G conversion

A few months ago, I built a 41MXP amp with the intention of using it with my tweeters along with an active crossover. The results were not as expected. Not to say this amp sounds bad, the 41MXP is a clean and clear triode with an enlightening treble. It’s more about the sonic results I had with multi-amplification. The stage appeared thinner, and the overall presentation was less convincing and natural than with my passive Xover.

After careful consideration, I decided to take it apart and use transformers, chokes, and outputs for another project.

It didn’t take long for me to get a nice pair of 6A5G triodes out of my stash. These tubes are said to be fine-sounding triodes, sometimes compared to a 2A3, with a unique internal construction. It’s an indirect-heated tube with a cathode tied around the heaters. What an oddity! I believe it was very hard to build. The tube has been engineered that way with the goal of reducing hum while keeping all the characteristics of its relative, the 6B4G. And it works. According to some people, it’s a delicate and detailed tube. It is a good reason to give it a try, especially since I wonder why I did not use it sooner. In fact, I remember buying them after reading good reports about the Peerless A100A amplifier. But this is another story.

I have completely redesigned the driver. Replaced the ML4 by a 6SN7 in a shared current stage that proved to be an excellent solution, providing high gain under low impedance.

By experience, I found driving a power triode under low impedance to be a good solution for better bass restitution and a more relaxed sound. At least when CF is properly designed to prevent overdrive by the preceding stage.

I kept the Tango anode choke and added a resistor to the circuit. This combined load ensures proper DC voltage while keeping AC gain higher than with a resistor alone. Transients are much better, too. Current transfer in such a complex time constant depends upon the choke/resistor ratio.

τ = L/R

To make a long story short, the smaller τ, the faster the steady state of the circuit will be established. Means that changing R will affect the sonic behavior of the amplifier.

It took a lot of time to find the best value, spending hours listening to different setups with loads ranking from 27K to 68K. I finally stopped at 40.2K. Any 39K will do the job, but I had the 40.2K on hand, and these vintage metal films sound very good.

To get the necessary voltages, I replaced the PT220 power transformer with a PT260 and recalculated a few resistors in the HV line to keep time constants as low as usual.

I didn’t exactly bias the 6A5G according to the datasheet. I chose another point with a lower anode voltage and a 750 ohm bias resistor.

The reason is that I wanted to test the French R120, as I have a few samples on the shelf. A similar triode that bears an excellent reputation among tube lovers. Despite a completely different construction, the characteristics are quite similar. A simple bias change will allow me to enjoy these superb triodes, originally intended to fit professional equipment. The recommended value is 600 ohm. I implemented a switch to connect a 3K resistor in parallel with the 750 ohm one.

Filaments are floating due to a center tap connection on the 6A5G.



Wiring is kept as compact as possible using parts I had on hand: Aerovox V161, a longtime favorite; Sprague Koolohm; Allen Bradley's; and Sic Safco low ESR electrolytics. The power supply is fitted with ICAR polypropylene capacitors along with SEL metalized paper.

The 6A5G is renowned for its noise-free restitution, but it is a somewhat intriguing tube, depending on the manufacturer. I have a few Visseaux on hand, and there is a persistent hum, apparently for no reason. Different construction? It’s a pity; they sound better than Sylvania. Mysterious issue.

I made some measurements to see how these tubes perform. The squares are good, and the slight overshoot at 10 KHz is due to transformer ringing. The vintage Tektronix 453 I just bought (what an incredible construction) has a very fine trace and is very pleasant to use despite its small cathode ray tube. Up to the task for this use and much more compact than my imposing 7834.

Maximum power is 3.5W and 3.2W, respectively (6A5G_R120). The harmonic distortion versus power is exactly as expected.

At first glance, they both share good sonic qualities, but after a long time of listening, they show quite different personalities. It depends on music and mood. The R120 is crisp and punchy compared to the 6A5G, which appears a bit mellow. Thus, despite a magnificent medium, the 6A5G proves to be less attractive than the R120 on human voices; the message is slightly confused, and I prefer to keep it for piano or violin, where it adds softness and romanticism. In my opinion, the R120 is better suited for complex music with its clear and detailed reproduction. The 6A5G plays in a more relaxed atmosphere, ideal for ambient music, easy to listen to for hours, but globally lacks punch and vivacity. Conversely, the R120 is more nervous and lifelike, an attention-grabber whatever I spin on my Garrard. This is the tube to go on small jazz formations, vocals, big band, orchestral music...in fact on any kinf of music.

Despite higher harmonic distortion, the R120 sounds better to my ears and will remain the tube of choice in this amplifier.

Driver choice

I tried half a dozen 6SN7/VT231 tubes to finally end on their predecessor. A friend of mine gave me a nice NOS pair of Tung Sol VT99 with adapters. Once plugged in, it became evident that the R120 had found its counterpart, and the search was over. These double triodes excel in any aspect of music restitution: balance, delicacy, precision, naturalness, etc. Only the Ken Rad VT231 outperforms the 6F8G in the low register by a slight margin.

I guess one day I'll have to rewire the sockets to accommodate the different pinout, but I feel a bit lazy. I prefer spending time with music for pure enjoyment.











Feb 26, 2016

MC1/60, E60M, TM100 SE amplifier - Part 1 & 2

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MC1/60, E60M, TM100 SE amplifier - Part 1

In the DIY world of triodes amplifier lovers, most people know the best of the large power tubes like the 211/VT4C or the 845. These tubes are easy to source, still manufactured by Chinese, Czech or German. It's even possible to find some NOS ones from GE, RCA…
There are plenty of circuits to try for the hobbyist and parts like output transformers are easy to find.
This topic will make you discover some of the best European triodes and especially french ones. For audio use everyone, almost everyone, knows the tubes from Mullard, Philips or Mazda, but very few have had the opportunity to get on Neotron, Visseaux or SFR.

These manufacturers made tubes mostly for administrations and are rarely present on the tubes vendors stalls still active today. In fact, most of these tubes were bought by the Japanese in the 80's and are now selling at indecent prices. Understandable when you see manufacturing quality that may turn you pale. Philips MC1/60 or SFR E60M where built to a very very high standard even for the tube industry of that time.

Let me introduce our competitors.




Philips MC1/60

This Dutch power triode was specifically developed for audio, rated at 75W plate dissipation,
very close in specification to the 211/VT4C, but easier to use due to its lower trans-conductance.
The MC1/60 have a second advantage with its 4 V oxide coated filament rated at 3,3A (to compare with the 10 V/ 3,25A of the 211). We will talk latter on an other advantage of this oxide coated cathode in term of music sweetness.
Sweetness and naturalness shared with the very best of the 4 V triodes like the PX4 or the AD1.






SFR E60M

French military triode made by Société Française Radioélectrique in the 40's. Incredibly well made with cost no object materials, twice the weight of its Philips relative, these tubes can bear the 3X75B military code. Very close in specification to the MC1/60 which is very helpful due to the lack of information concerning the SFR company products.
Like the Philips it's a 4 V / 3,3 A oxide coated cathode, anode power rating 75W.






MAZDA TM100

French military triode made by Mazda in the 30'/40',
also can bear the 3X75B military code.
Very different construction with glass rods to support filament springs.
Despite the old fashion and less impressive construction it is probably the best sounding triode of this group, and probably one of the best sounding ever.
Oxide coating cathode, 4 V / 3,3 A, power dissipation 75W (better not to go beyond 60W).
All these triodes can be switched as they have the same filament ratings, use the same socket and are very close in specifications.


Top view shows the very different construction.




The 6 watt monster amp

My first intention when I decided to build an amp around these tubes was to get a reasonable output power with the best possible sound. You will say this is a very personal and very subjective goal but during the past 20 years I built a lot of amp, preamp but only kept 3 ones after intensive listening test with golden ears friends (10 / VT25 SE and VT25 / VT25A AB1 PP amps, 6J5 / NP206 Tango transformer coupled line preamplifier). These materials serve as references to my future constructions.

My requirements are small in term of power. I mainly listen to Klipsch La Scala speakers upgraded with JBL 2470 drivers and Alk filters and at 105 dB I can shake hell with just 1 watt.
So I decided not to push my tubes too much and make them sing at 5/6 W output.
Looking at the curves I found a satisfying operating point at 600V / 80 mA with a 3.5K load,it may be weird at first sight but at that point internal resistance is mainly 1.6K (S=8mA/V and μ=12.5). This gives the maximum output with a 3.5K load (and I had the transformers on the shelf for a long time, it helped a bit to make a decision).



The driver was a more difficult choice. I needed very low distortion, large RMS output voltage, low output impedance, large bandwidth. Not easy to combine. After several tests with the most commonly used drivers and tubes I stuck to a 6SN7 SRPP feeding a transformer. In that way I had a well defined load for the SRPP, a very good bandwidth despite a coupling cap (no current through the transformer) and the possibility of less final distortion using a 10K/40K step-up transformer that double the driver voltage. Moreover I could use a negative voltage bias and the possibility to set the current depending upon tubes to be used.

The 6SN7 choice was not a choice. This tube is well known for its linearity, its sound qualities and I have plenty on hand.
Long time ago I have modelized the SRPP based on a very interesting thread by Merlin Blencowe from AudioXpress ( The optimized SRPP ) and I just have to fill some fields in a Excel file to have my operating points, resistor values, gain and output impedance.

Now some math considerations to see the different AC voltages involved in this project.

Power output should be 6W/8 ohm or 6.9 Vrms.
Output transformer have an impedance ratio of 2.28 10-3, a voltage ratio 4.78 10-2 (-26,4dB).
It means for the power tube a plate voltage of 144 Vrms or 408 V peak to peak to get my 6.9Vrms.
Looking at the MC1/60 curves this can be done with 48 V peak to peak on the grid (17Vrms).
Gain of power triode is 8.5 (+18.6dB), confirmed by calculation where

                                                  G = µ x Rload/Rload + ρ.



Now to get 17 Vrms for MC1/60 complete anode swing I just need 8.5 Vrms (24 V peak to peak) out of my 6SN7 SRPP due to a 10K/40K interstage transformer used in that circuit. Easily achieved, under 300V anode supply the SRPP circuit give a gain of 13.4 (+22.5dB),means 0,63Vrms at input (1.80 V peak to peak) and very low distortion.





The amplifier overall gain is :
+22.5dB (6SN7) + 6dB (Transformer) + 18.6dB (MC1/60) – 26.4dB (Transformer) = +20.7dB


To be continued......
full amplifier circuit, construction details, listening test, tubes to be used, mods and tweaks.



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MC1/60, E60M, TM100 SE amplifier - Part 2

Back on the air with amplifier circuit



Voltage requirements.

We need 600V for the final stage, 300V for driver, negative bias voltage, heater voltage.

High voltage is not very high, I can take advantage of vacuum tube rectifier (helps for soft start) and polypropylene capacitor for main supply. I prefer the sound of these caps over the usual electrolytic.

For driver stage I choose choke input filter with bleeder resistor. Choke input is less disturbing for the power transformer and ripple is very smooth.

Main power transformer windings.

1- 500_0_500 V will give me the proper 600V high voltage with GZ34 rectifier.
2- 350_0_350 V will feed the SRPP with 30H choke input filter and ultra fast soft recovery diodes.
3- 50V for bias.
4- 7.5V for MC1/60 to provide 4V choke input filtered too.
5- 6.3V for 6SN7.
6- 5V for GZ34.



On the bench



Sub chassis ease construction a lot.........




Amp finished





Tamura TN351 inter-stage transformer with it's 1:2 voltage ratio helps a lot to drive the final tube easily with minimum distortion from the driver.
The little black switch next to the 6SN7 socket is for a local NFB loop. I can choose between 0 / 3.5dB feedback. Personally I prefer no feedback.
Screw speaker terminal, grey paint and AEI silver plated socket give a retro fashion look to the amplifier.



The second black switch next to AC connector give me the choice to earth or not the amplifier, helps to get the lowest noise floor.



Screwdriver potentiometer and large panel meter for easy current setting.





The mighty E60M tube @ 600V / 75mA




Listening test

Amplifier is dead silent on my Klipsch, I have to put my ear against tweeter to hear a slight hiss.

First impressions .... punchy, very clear and detailed without being tiring. Beautiful and delicate mid and highs (as fine as the 10/VT25 amp !! I can make comparison on mono recordings VT25 amp on one side, MC1/60 on the other), voices are natural, very articulated and living like (Madeleine Peyroux_Careless Love).
Bass are impressive, this is the first time I can physically feel bass with my Klipsch (Bach_ Cello suites, Pierre Fournier). Excellent soundstage with lot of depth, very airy and detailed, I ear the very, very slight shift of the bottle neck on the guitar, the slight fingers taps on strings ( Pedro Soler_Sombras or Selmer 607 Gypsy guitar CD) never heard before! It's good, very good in fact even on very complex music ( Verdi_Messa da Requiem_Giulini).
I also listened to E60M and I have great difficulty in distinguishing the tubes. More body may be? It depends a lot upon input tube. Best with MC1 / 60 are the VT231 Ken Rad (so punchy in the low end), Hytron VT231 or Brimar 6SN7 GTY with E60M or TM100.

Amazing to see after so many years that the 4 V tubes have always been killers compared to the other ones (2.5, 6.3, 7.5V …..). I have been playing with plenty of these classics (2A3, 45, 50,811,211, 845 and so on) and found each time they were inferior to the 4 V ones *. Is it a matter of cathode coating, is 4 V the best voltage for regular emission ? I have no answer, just listening facts that aficionados of the PX4, PX25 and AD1 perfectly know.

* Just one exception, the Visseaux A710, a 10 with BIG plate (as big as a 50) using a 7.5 V oxide coated filament. It's to my knowledge the only 10 of that kind and the only one that sounds like a PX4.

Have to wait for some friends to come and make a very serious listening.
At that time this amp is the very best I have ever built.

Some CD's for this test